Apple 26.2
Apr 7, 05:45 PM
This is stupid awesome :D
Just got Missile Command, Asteroids and Tempest.
Just got Missile Command, Asteroids and Tempest.
iToaster
Jun 18, 02:11 PM
What are you looking to get for it?
MattG
Oct 4, 07:07 AM
To recap all the comments above...
Pretty muc everyone who actually had to *use* Notes for work hates it.
The only people who seem to be praising it are the ones who are paid to maintain it. Notice how the Notes fanbois refer to it as a "product", "platform", "solution", etc - and yet provide not a single example where the features of the client itself would make the user more happy and productive.
Yes, I said the word: User!
It's the users that matter most.
And Notes client makes any user miserable.
It is slow, it uses non-standard interface elements, and it has a really steep learning curve (even for the 'engineer' types). I am not a big fan of Outlook, but even Outlook is light years ahead of Notes.
As for the Domino server itself... That thing is just as bad as the client.
Its raison d'etre seems to be simplification of development process.
And it might have made (some limited) sense in 1995.
Not anymore.
Everything, and I mean everything, that you can do with Domino, you can do with Ruby, PHP/MySQL/PostgreSQL, WebObjects, or Java.
You can do it in less time, using highly visual dev environments. You can also easily collaborate on the development process, and systematically create concise documentation. The finished product will run fast and solid, and it won't depend on proprietary (terrible) client software. You will just need a web browser.
Domino, on the other hand, is pure garbage. I remember working in a 20 person company back in '00 where we had a Domino server running on a dual 500MHz PIII server with 2 gigs of RAM - very expensive at the time. It was very hard on the poor machine. It was choking. And the only three things the server was used for were email, very basic scheduling, and a billable hour tracking app. Not that that server is any speed demon by modern standards... But a non-Domino system having the same functionality would not have created any measurable load on the server at all with only 20 users. Did I also mention the server was less than stable? And I still remember how SP6 for NT completely brought the damn thing down... Ouch.
I agree for the most part. It's the same where I work. We had one resident Domino fan (who left us about 8 months ago), and she was the only one in our department who really liked it. Most IT people I know hate Lotus Notes, and our department is no exception. The client is an absolute pain in the ass to contend with. The whole system of IDs and certifiers is a nightmare.
Here are some perfect examples of what's wrong with Domino/Notes.
1. A friend of mine where I work accidentally deleted her Notes ID file one time. (for those of you who don't know, unless you're using the web client, a Notes ID is what stores your personal information [including your password] and you need this to log on to the system). We tried to restore her ID from a backup copy we made when the account was originally created, but it wouldn't work because this copy of the ID was from before she got married, and her name was changed on Domino. The resident Domino fangirl putzed around with it for hours, and could not get it to work. She ended up deleting the account and recreating it, blaming my friend saying "she made a dumb mistake by deleting her ID file." That may have been so, but doesn't it seem a bit ridiculous that there isn't a "Regenerate Notes ID" button in Administrator? Seems like a stupid thing to leave out. So, someone accidentally deletes their ID file (which I'm sure happens at places all the time), you can't regenerate it, and you have to recreate the account? Ludicrous.
2. Or how about the fact that in Domino Admin, I can't change the password in an ID file, so if someone forgets it, they're SOL? As the admin I can't change a password???!!?
3. We've currently got about 5000 users on our student email server. These are iNotes only users -- they don't get ID files and they don't use the Notes client, just web-mail. Domino doesn't provide anyway to track usage of these, only with Notes-ID clients. I've been trying to come up with a way to show how many people are accessing their accounts, and you just can't do it. I've spent hours on the phone with IBM trying to figure this out, and I can't. Their techs don't know how to do it. I'm trying to figure out who hasn't used their account in a year or more so they can be deleted, and IBM doesn't give you any way to track usage through the web client.
Good stuff.
I do have to say though, that although the client is awful and a pain to use, and that users are difficult to administrate sometimes, the server itself holds up pretty well. It really doesn't crash much.
Pretty muc everyone who actually had to *use* Notes for work hates it.
The only people who seem to be praising it are the ones who are paid to maintain it. Notice how the Notes fanbois refer to it as a "product", "platform", "solution", etc - and yet provide not a single example where the features of the client itself would make the user more happy and productive.
Yes, I said the word: User!
It's the users that matter most.
And Notes client makes any user miserable.
It is slow, it uses non-standard interface elements, and it has a really steep learning curve (even for the 'engineer' types). I am not a big fan of Outlook, but even Outlook is light years ahead of Notes.
As for the Domino server itself... That thing is just as bad as the client.
Its raison d'etre seems to be simplification of development process.
And it might have made (some limited) sense in 1995.
Not anymore.
Everything, and I mean everything, that you can do with Domino, you can do with Ruby, PHP/MySQL/PostgreSQL, WebObjects, or Java.
You can do it in less time, using highly visual dev environments. You can also easily collaborate on the development process, and systematically create concise documentation. The finished product will run fast and solid, and it won't depend on proprietary (terrible) client software. You will just need a web browser.
Domino, on the other hand, is pure garbage. I remember working in a 20 person company back in '00 where we had a Domino server running on a dual 500MHz PIII server with 2 gigs of RAM - very expensive at the time. It was very hard on the poor machine. It was choking. And the only three things the server was used for were email, very basic scheduling, and a billable hour tracking app. Not that that server is any speed demon by modern standards... But a non-Domino system having the same functionality would not have created any measurable load on the server at all with only 20 users. Did I also mention the server was less than stable? And I still remember how SP6 for NT completely brought the damn thing down... Ouch.
I agree for the most part. It's the same where I work. We had one resident Domino fan (who left us about 8 months ago), and she was the only one in our department who really liked it. Most IT people I know hate Lotus Notes, and our department is no exception. The client is an absolute pain in the ass to contend with. The whole system of IDs and certifiers is a nightmare.
Here are some perfect examples of what's wrong with Domino/Notes.
1. A friend of mine where I work accidentally deleted her Notes ID file one time. (for those of you who don't know, unless you're using the web client, a Notes ID is what stores your personal information [including your password] and you need this to log on to the system). We tried to restore her ID from a backup copy we made when the account was originally created, but it wouldn't work because this copy of the ID was from before she got married, and her name was changed on Domino. The resident Domino fangirl putzed around with it for hours, and could not get it to work. She ended up deleting the account and recreating it, blaming my friend saying "she made a dumb mistake by deleting her ID file." That may have been so, but doesn't it seem a bit ridiculous that there isn't a "Regenerate Notes ID" button in Administrator? Seems like a stupid thing to leave out. So, someone accidentally deletes their ID file (which I'm sure happens at places all the time), you can't regenerate it, and you have to recreate the account? Ludicrous.
2. Or how about the fact that in Domino Admin, I can't change the password in an ID file, so if someone forgets it, they're SOL? As the admin I can't change a password???!!?
3. We've currently got about 5000 users on our student email server. These are iNotes only users -- they don't get ID files and they don't use the Notes client, just web-mail. Domino doesn't provide anyway to track usage of these, only with Notes-ID clients. I've been trying to come up with a way to show how many people are accessing their accounts, and you just can't do it. I've spent hours on the phone with IBM trying to figure this out, and I can't. Their techs don't know how to do it. I'm trying to figure out who hasn't used their account in a year or more so they can be deleted, and IBM doesn't give you any way to track usage through the web client.
Good stuff.
I do have to say though, that although the client is awful and a pain to use, and that users are difficult to administrate sometimes, the server itself holds up pretty well. It really doesn't crash much.
ziggyonice
Apr 30, 07:53 PM
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The geek in me made me do it. :)
The geek in me made me do it. :)
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John.B
Apr 11, 12:22 AM
Are you able to only download the fixes? Otherwise it is a 600mb plus patch
It's a complete replacement of the iOS binaries and Apple-supplied apps.
I think I pointed this out earlier, but if you look back at the recent WP7 update fiasco where a bunch of Samsung hardware got bricked by the update, you'll understand why a patch might not be a great idea. Esp. given the number of jailbroken iPhones and iPads out there, that don't have the base OS that a patch might expect...
It's a complete replacement of the iOS binaries and Apple-supplied apps.
I think I pointed this out earlier, but if you look back at the recent WP7 update fiasco where a bunch of Samsung hardware got bricked by the update, you'll understand why a patch might not be a great idea. Esp. given the number of jailbroken iPhones and iPads out there, that don't have the base OS that a patch might expect...
nevir
Oct 6, 08:54 AM
I'd disagree that designers should be making text areas 100% wide though. I've a 2560 wide screen. That'd be silly. Letting users on the other hand size it themselves and giving designers the tools to accommodate resizing is the way to go
At the same time, it's kinda silly to view most web pages at 2560 wide, even 1200+. At that point a paragraph is usually only one or two lines, forcing you to do quite a bit of tracking to read what you want. If you're comfortable viewing the text that way, why not edit it that way as well?
But I definitely agree that letting the users resize the textareas inside the page is a great usability feature. Just was trying to point out that there are already (simple) solutions to the issue.
At the same time, it's kinda silly to view most web pages at 2560 wide, even 1200+. At that point a paragraph is usually only one or two lines, forcing you to do quite a bit of tracking to read what you want. If you're comfortable viewing the text that way, why not edit it that way as well?
But I definitely agree that letting the users resize the textareas inside the page is a great usability feature. Just was trying to point out that there are already (simple) solutions to the issue.
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bretm
Oct 2, 11:15 AM
Hopefully what will happen now is their captured markets will simply buy APPLE hardware to perform Dostel and Wintel PC functions under Parallels or Bootcamp or Q.
It will be ritious.
Rocketman
And since IBM does not manufacture personal computers I would assume they could give a darn which platform you purchase as long as you purchase Lotus notes.
It will be ritious.
Rocketman
And since IBM does not manufacture personal computers I would assume they could give a darn which platform you purchase as long as you purchase Lotus notes.
MacBytes
Sep 16, 11:35 PM
Category: 3rd Party Software
Link: Sybase and OS X in the Enterprise (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20040917003534)
Posted on MacBytes.com (http://www.macbytes.com)
Approved by Mudbug
Link: Sybase and OS X in the Enterprise (http://www.macbytes.com/link.php?sid=20040917003534)
Posted on MacBytes.com (http://www.macbytes.com)
Approved by Mudbug
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ironman159
Apr 8, 11:34 PM
I have really been thinking of finally getting an iPhone.. but after hearing all these battery issues I am starting to think otherwise. IDK.. we'll see. At least its not as bad as the Thunderbolts 3-4hr battery!! LOL!! Thats just pathetic.
My iPhone 4 battery at first was TERRIFIC. 4.3 & 4.3.1 ********* things up. Now people ask me why I have a charger with me all the time.
Btw: it's not hardware cause the change in battery life is not minimal, it's ENORMOUS and a new iPhone didn't fixed it. Go figure again. :mad:
My iPhone 4 battery at first was TERRIFIC. 4.3 & 4.3.1 ********* things up. Now people ask me why I have a charger with me all the time.
Btw: it's not hardware cause the change in battery life is not minimal, it's ENORMOUS and a new iPhone didn't fixed it. Go figure again. :mad:
RED�
Oct 9, 03:02 PM
I'll be buying it too!
Downloading... yay! :D
Downloading... yay! :D
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AndroidfoLife
Apr 21, 04:51 PM
Or you have the case where people like you try to tout the Andriod OS as superior but in reality it is a disaster. I use several models of Andriod phones at work, for testing purposes, and each time I pick one up I want to throw it against the wall. I get really irritated with the cumbersome user interface plus the battery life is horrible. I end up having to leave the Andriod phone plugged in to the wall charger if I use for a few hours. We also have iPhones, and Windows 7 phones at work that we use for testing. Which do you think people perfer using at work. Let me give you a hint, it starts with an A but its second letter is not n.
It depends on how you compare android to iOS. I personally get a full day out of my android phone. Thats with texting all day, one class where i am streaming peers papers the entire time. I am on wifi the entire time. I play Gameboy games for much of the day when i am on the bus. I listen to music when i am going around time on my long board. In all my phone is never in real sleep mode. When I first got the phone my battery life was about an two hours to two hours and a half, then I learned to shut off apps. I love the user interface more then apple. Yeah it lags occaisonally but i get to have all my lovely widgets where i can easily access them. I can see what my next apointment is just by unlocking my phone. I can read an email simply by swiping left. I can send, read a text message just by swiping right. I love it has every thing I need. If it doesn't work you it won't work but for over a million of us it works perfectly. iOS is not Android and Android is not iOS if it works for you it works for you no need to bash the other. I like iOS I just can't see my self using it as a phone OS.
It depends on how you compare android to iOS. I personally get a full day out of my android phone. Thats with texting all day, one class where i am streaming peers papers the entire time. I am on wifi the entire time. I play Gameboy games for much of the day when i am on the bus. I listen to music when i am going around time on my long board. In all my phone is never in real sleep mode. When I first got the phone my battery life was about an two hours to two hours and a half, then I learned to shut off apps. I love the user interface more then apple. Yeah it lags occaisonally but i get to have all my lovely widgets where i can easily access them. I can see what my next apointment is just by unlocking my phone. I can read an email simply by swiping left. I can send, read a text message just by swiping right. I love it has every thing I need. If it doesn't work you it won't work but for over a million of us it works perfectly. iOS is not Android and Android is not iOS if it works for you it works for you no need to bash the other. I like iOS I just can't see my self using it as a phone OS.
Lacero
Feb 12, 08:05 PM
In Soviet Russia, MR mods own you!
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jbanger
Dec 1, 03:15 AM
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lewis82
Dec 4, 03:59 PM
None of these are Holiday related.
Personally, I try to avoid anything Holiday-related until I am done with school. Helps me keep the focus on important exams. So in eleven days, I'll change wallpaper ;)
Personally, I try to avoid anything Holiday-related until I am done with school. Helps me keep the focus on important exams. So in eleven days, I'll change wallpaper ;)
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Mackilroy
Mar 17, 03:18 PM
It installed fine on the Mac Pro I have lying around.
InuNacho
Apr 5, 02:11 PM
Chick magnet.
http://pophangover.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/weinermobile.jpg
I saw that thing going down the freeway a few years ago, things a beast.
http://pophangover.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/weinermobile.jpg
I saw that thing going down the freeway a few years ago, things a beast.
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Melrose
Apr 8, 07:55 PM
Nothing special this month.
I used to think she was hot... Times change I guess.
I used to think she was hot... Times change I guess.
SactoGuy18
Apr 8, 06:48 AM
While I welcome these bug fixes, do I really have to endure 600+ megabyte downloads just to have them installed? :rolleyes: That's what I went through with my 4G iPod touch and iPad 2 when iOS 4.3.1 came out.
I really hope that the upcoming iOS 5.0 will allow for incremental upgrades so you don't have to do such big downloads anymore in the future.
I really hope that the upcoming iOS 5.0 will allow for incremental upgrades so you don't have to do such big downloads anymore in the future.
dolphino2
May 27, 04:01 PM
tempted...just trying to hedge my bets whether it'll be easier getting one at the trafford centre amongst the crazy people queuing up from 2am ish...knowing theyre gonna have a few hundred in stock...or whether to goto preston, where they have very little stock for tomorrow!
MacRumors
Apr 28, 07:17 PM
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http://images.macrumors.com/article/2011/04/21/230823-samsung_300.jpg
Foss Patents (http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/04/samsung-now-countersuing-apple-in-four.html) and Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-28/samsung-broadens-patent-dispute-against-apple-with-u-s-lawsuit.html) report that Samsung has broadened its patent lawsuit against Apple to include the U.S.In the U.S. complaint, Samsung accuses Apple of violating patents that "relate to fundamental innovations that increase mobile device reliability, efficiency, and quality, and improve user interface in mobile handsets and other products."The 10 patents that Samsung is alleging that Apple has infringed upon are detailed (http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/04/samsung-now-countersuing-apple-in-four.html) on the Foss Patents blog. Seven of the patents are related to communications standards and the others with user interface.
The Samsung counter-suit is in response to Apple's original lawsuit against Samsung over the Galaxy line (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/04/18/apple-targets-samsung-with-new-lawsuit-over-galaxy-line/) of smartphones and tablets. Apple has accused Samsung of "blatant copying" of the iPhone.
Article Link: Samsung Brings Patent Lawsuit Against Apple to U.S. (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/04/28/samsung-brings-patent-lawsuit-against-apple-to-u-s/)
http://images.macrumors.com/article/2011/04/21/230823-samsung_300.jpg
Foss Patents (http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/04/samsung-now-countersuing-apple-in-four.html) and Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-28/samsung-broadens-patent-dispute-against-apple-with-u-s-lawsuit.html) report that Samsung has broadened its patent lawsuit against Apple to include the U.S.In the U.S. complaint, Samsung accuses Apple of violating patents that "relate to fundamental innovations that increase mobile device reliability, efficiency, and quality, and improve user interface in mobile handsets and other products."The 10 patents that Samsung is alleging that Apple has infringed upon are detailed (http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/04/samsung-now-countersuing-apple-in-four.html) on the Foss Patents blog. Seven of the patents are related to communications standards and the others with user interface.
The Samsung counter-suit is in response to Apple's original lawsuit against Samsung over the Galaxy line (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/04/18/apple-targets-samsung-with-new-lawsuit-over-galaxy-line/) of smartphones and tablets. Apple has accused Samsung of "blatant copying" of the iPhone.
Article Link: Samsung Brings Patent Lawsuit Against Apple to U.S. (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/04/28/samsung-brings-patent-lawsuit-against-apple-to-u-s/)
MacRumors
Apr 6, 11:39 AM
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NickZac
Mar 8, 07:15 PM
What really busts our budget are the mind-boggling amounts we spend on our entitlement programs--Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid (especially Medicare and Medicaid). These programs are wildly more expensive than any other budget items, and they're also growing like weeds.
If we don't get Medicare and Medicaid expenses under control, the USA will go broke, pure and simple. And yet, almost no one in Washington has the stones to even talk about this, let alone do something about it. They just kick the can down the road.
One of the problems with many of the 'solutions' means that as an after-affect, Americans will starve, and some may even die due to not getting necessary medical care. So yes, we, as a country, can cut back on these programs, but does that mean we should cut back these programs with their potential side-effects? How do people on this forum feel about budget reductions that will make people have to decide whether they get the medication that they need or eat more than once a day?
I don't think anyone can appreciate Medicare and (especially) Medicaid until you can see first hand just what these programs do for so many people.
Financial issues? Yes. Any good current solution?
Here is a place to start...we need to think long and hard about how we save money, as well as its potential benefits and consequences. We also need to think about how we can make our money go further than it currently is. Let's not cut back programs in the immediate; let's work from the bottom up. So my idea is to examine how we can keep the current level of quality (or increase it), while simultaneously reducing operating and administrative costs.
This is possible, at least in my field. One place to start would be reverting to the concept and practice of Evidence Based Medicine, which is using medical services and medication that has proven effectiveness. This means not using/paying for treatments of questionable outcomes or experimental and unproven medications. Often this actually results in a better outcome for both your pockets and your health, as newer medical technology is generally more expensive, and if you go right to using a treatment that we know does work, treatment comes quicker because time is not wasted on things which do not work. This concept seems to have originated from numerous European countries, and IMO was perfected by the Nordic Countries years ago.
Here is an example; let's take the top selling drugs in the US:
1) Lipitor ($14.5 Billion)
2) ADVAIR ($6 Billion)
3) Plavix ($6 Billion)
4) Nexium ($5 Billion)
1) Evidence of Lipitor actually affecting ultimate outcomes is questionable. Yes, it lowers stats on paper, but if it reduces the chances of dying is still disputed. Also, it has a side effect profile which can make one's life a living nightmare.
2) ADVAIR is probably worth the money given its ability and lower side effect profile than other steroids used for asthma
3) Plavix outcomes can also be disputed
4) Nexium is essentially Prilosec. Ultimate outcomes of 40mg Nexium versus an equal dose Prilosec are almost identical, and differences are not statistically significant. Nexium is marketed as being better because Prilosec through sneaky studies that were published by the pharmaceutical company that makes it by using a lower dose of Prilosec and testing Nexium against medical issues that Prilosec was never marketed for. It is a Me Too Drug to the tenth power. A year's worth of generic Prilosec costs less than one week of Nexium.
See how I am working this? Things like this can be considered and the effectiveness versus the costs needs to be given more detail. Just my 2 cents.
If we don't get Medicare and Medicaid expenses under control, the USA will go broke, pure and simple. And yet, almost no one in Washington has the stones to even talk about this, let alone do something about it. They just kick the can down the road.
One of the problems with many of the 'solutions' means that as an after-affect, Americans will starve, and some may even die due to not getting necessary medical care. So yes, we, as a country, can cut back on these programs, but does that mean we should cut back these programs with their potential side-effects? How do people on this forum feel about budget reductions that will make people have to decide whether they get the medication that they need or eat more than once a day?
I don't think anyone can appreciate Medicare and (especially) Medicaid until you can see first hand just what these programs do for so many people.
Financial issues? Yes. Any good current solution?
Here is a place to start...we need to think long and hard about how we save money, as well as its potential benefits and consequences. We also need to think about how we can make our money go further than it currently is. Let's not cut back programs in the immediate; let's work from the bottom up. So my idea is to examine how we can keep the current level of quality (or increase it), while simultaneously reducing operating and administrative costs.
This is possible, at least in my field. One place to start would be reverting to the concept and practice of Evidence Based Medicine, which is using medical services and medication that has proven effectiveness. This means not using/paying for treatments of questionable outcomes or experimental and unproven medications. Often this actually results in a better outcome for both your pockets and your health, as newer medical technology is generally more expensive, and if you go right to using a treatment that we know does work, treatment comes quicker because time is not wasted on things which do not work. This concept seems to have originated from numerous European countries, and IMO was perfected by the Nordic Countries years ago.
Here is an example; let's take the top selling drugs in the US:
1) Lipitor ($14.5 Billion)
2) ADVAIR ($6 Billion)
3) Plavix ($6 Billion)
4) Nexium ($5 Billion)
1) Evidence of Lipitor actually affecting ultimate outcomes is questionable. Yes, it lowers stats on paper, but if it reduces the chances of dying is still disputed. Also, it has a side effect profile which can make one's life a living nightmare.
2) ADVAIR is probably worth the money given its ability and lower side effect profile than other steroids used for asthma
3) Plavix outcomes can also be disputed
4) Nexium is essentially Prilosec. Ultimate outcomes of 40mg Nexium versus an equal dose Prilosec are almost identical, and differences are not statistically significant. Nexium is marketed as being better because Prilosec through sneaky studies that were published by the pharmaceutical company that makes it by using a lower dose of Prilosec and testing Nexium against medical issues that Prilosec was never marketed for. It is a Me Too Drug to the tenth power. A year's worth of generic Prilosec costs less than one week of Nexium.
See how I am working this? Things like this can be considered and the effectiveness versus the costs needs to be given more detail. Just my 2 cents.
newyorksole
Apr 13, 11:05 AM
Can you guys answer 1 question for me?
When the next iPhone does come out how will iPhone 4 Verizon customers be able to upgrade? Do you think that Verizon and AT&T will work out an early upgrade for them?
Or do you think people who want the iPhone on Verizon will have already waited for the 5.
When the next iPhone does come out how will iPhone 4 Verizon customers be able to upgrade? Do you think that Verizon and AT&T will work out an early upgrade for them?
Or do you think people who want the iPhone on Verizon will have already waited for the 5.
Blue Velvet
Sep 24, 03:27 PM
Yes... although I don't have any children. It was exactly what I was allowed to do at 18 with the proviso that I took precautions. 18 is/was way past the age of legal consent at the time...
If you know that they're already having sex then encouraging them to be responsible and open is a far better way to go than by curtailing it and forcing them to sneak around behind your back.
If you know that they're already having sex then encouraging them to be responsible and open is a far better way to go than by curtailing it and forcing them to sneak around behind your back.
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